To help prevent mistakes when purchasing or changing seatposts, this article explains what kinds of seatpost diameters are most commonly used and how they are measured. Only diameter (width) is dealt with here. The length of the seatpost depends on frame geometry (design) and size – i.e. how much the saddle needs to be raised from the end of the seat tube. A separate article explains the maximum amount of seatpost extension from the frame (minimal insertion length). For seatpost height in terms of bicycle fitting, see: Setting up comfortable riding position.
0. Terms
It is important to understand two terms:
- “seat tube” – the tube in the frame that holds the seatpost.
- “seatpost” – the post the saddle is mounted on.
Picture 1 shows a seatpost (1), and a seat tube (2):
Pictures 1a, and 1b
1. A bit of history
The first bicycle frames were made mostly from steel, with steel tubes of a standard (outer) diameter. The British and Italian standard diameter for seat tubes was 1 1/8″ (28.6 mm). Older French bicycles used 28 mm tubing. Old US bicycles (mostly BMX and older bikes that used one-piece cranks) was 1″ (25.4 mm).
Standard outer diameter dimensions were important so that derailleur clamps etc. could be made in exact matching sizes (derailleur clamp inner diameter needs to match the seat tube’s outer diameter). Higher quality frames are usually made with thinned down tube walls to reduce the weight of the frame. This meant that a wider seatpost diameter usually meant a higher quality (and lighter) frame. So high-quality frames with 1 1/8″ seat tubes usually had 27.2 mm wide seatposts.
A more modern trend, mostly on mountain bikes, where stronger seatposts are required (without too much extra weight) led to a new “oversized” standard of 27.4 mm (and wider).
2. Measuring required seatpost diameter
“One (precise) measurement is often better than a thousand expert opinions” – author’s expert opinion. π
How to measure the seatpost diameter? The easiest and most accurate method is to use calipers (Vernier, or digital), as shown in picture 2.
Source: forums.mtbr.com
Picture 2
It can be seen from picture 2 that the seatpost is marked as 31.6 mm wide (and 410 mm long), while it really measures only 31.42 mm. This means the seatpost will probably not fit firmly enough to stay in place inside a seat tube meant for 31.6 mm wide seatposts. Always measure! π
Measuring a seat tube diameter is often necessary before purchasing, or changing the seatpost. How should one do that? Three methods will be explained here, but one can always be creative. π
Method 1: if the frame already has a mounted matching seatpost – one that attaches firmly enough so it doesn’t slide, while being narrow enough to allow easy mounting and dismounting – then it is sufficient to measure its outer diameter, as was explained above in the section – “How to measure the seatpost diameter?”.
Method 2: using calipers, as shown in picture 3.
Source: forums.mtbr.com
Picture 3
Method 3: using special seat post sizing rods. These are rods with an increasing diameter from one end to the other, with a scale noting the diameter in standard sizes. The rod is simply placed in the seat tube and the matching diameter is the one just above the end of the seat tube (the first visible number on the rod still sticking out of the tube). Place a screwdriver through a hole at the top of the rod, just to make sure it doesn’t drop all the way in if the sizing rod is too small. π
Source: bikeforums.net
Picture 4
Since measuring often can’t be done to a 1/100 of a millimeter in accuracy, the next section gives a list of the most commonly used standard seatpost diameters. If a measured diameter differs, it can be assumed that the correct diameter is the standard one that most closely matches the measured diameter.
3. Standard seatpost diameters
Table 1 gives a list (in mm) of standard diameter sizes:
Table 1
Seatpost diameters are usually a multiple of 0.2 mm (but not always, as tables 1 and 2 show). If a measured value differs and most closely matches a value that is not a multiple of 0.2, there is a high probability that the closest multiple of 0.2 mm size will fit. For example, a measured 25.5 will most probably fit a 25.4 mm wide (nominal and measured width) seatpost. A rule of thumb is that the widest post that slides in without being forced (other than pushing or twisting by hand) is the right one. If it drops in, with play, before the pinch bolt is tightened, the seatpost is probably too narrow.
A few notes, just in case:
- If a seatpost wobbles or rocks left-right (before tightening the clamp), it is probably too narrow.
- Don’t punch it in. If it can’t be eased in by hand, it’s probably too wide. Forcing it in makes it very, very difficult to move or take out later. It might even damage some frames.
For easier managing, table 2 gives an overview of seatpost diameters most commonly used on modern bicycles (from the end of the 20th century to now).
Table 2
I want to use a 31.8 or 30,9 dropper post on my 34.9 seatpost. what shims would work for this?
I’d look for an adapter that notes those very dimensions: 34.9 to 31.8, or 34.9 to 30.9 (depending on the choice).
where can I find that
Amazon search (affiliate link):
Seatpost reducer (adapter, shim)
Bike24
https://www.bike24.com/p2315002.html?q=seatpost+shim+adapter
Bike components de
https://www.bike-components.de/en/s/?keywords=seatpost%20reducer
It might take time to source the particular needed combination, but Google and local bicycle shops are a way to go.
What size diameter seatpost do I need for my 1960’s 3 speed Tote Cycle and where can I get original old stock chrome one. Thank you.
Don’t know – best way to find out is to measure the bike’s seat tube inner diameter.
Thank you, Will do.
Another way to measure the circumference, albeit not super exact, is to use a measure tape and tie it around the seatpost.
If memory serves me well, dividing that with the number Pi should give the diameter.
Haven’t tried the method, but I suspect it to be too imprecise for this use.
I’m upgrading my bike and my post I’m cangi g from a 26.8 to a 31.6. I’m buying a vernier because I cannot get a accurate measurements for a setpost adapter. The spacer I’m hoping that will work is a 26.8-31.8. My question is will I have to purchase to seat post clamps for this to work and be safe?
Not sure I understand the setup, but, if a narrower seatpost is to be inserted, using an adapter to fit the difference between the seat tube, and the seat post – then no need to change the clamp, if it’s in good condition.
However, if seatpost is to be extended by more than some 20 centimetres, I would look for a well matching seatpost, not use an adapter – because adapters are usually not very deep (long), so won’t offer much of a support for the seatpost. Hope I’ve explained well what I mean.
Measuring the circumference of the post and dividing by Pi is a good method. There are even circumference tape measures to do it.
If you donβt have calipers, youβre hard-pressed to get the diameter. An adjustable wrench can be used as calipers, then measure the gap on the wrench. However, itβs almost impossible to distinguish 0.2 mm increments with a tape measure.
But measuring the circumference means you only have to distinguish a 0.6 mm difference (because everything is multiplied by 3.14…), which is doable.
Measuring the size of the hole in the seat postβwell, that requires ID calipers, gauges, or sticking something into it then marking it so you can measure it like the seat post. That will introduce more error. For example, take some poster board (stiff paper), roll it up, insert it, and let it expand to fill the hole. Making sure itβs fully expanded & secure, mark the edge of the paper with a marker. Pull out the paper, unroll it, and measure between the edge and the mark (and divide by Pi).
Iβve done it before, and it does work well enough.
Thanks, Greg. All good ideas that would work, better, or worse, depending on one’s preference, and availability of tools. π
This reminded me of the barometer question/dilemma. π
Your article is confusing, because of some obvious errors. First, “Picture 1” is not labeled, and nowhere do your explain which blue arrow is pointing at which part.
Also, at several parts you refer to Vernier calipers, but none of your images have Vernier calipers. You show just plain old digital calipers that don’t have a Vernier scale. Look up what a Vernier caliper actually is.
Finally, the suggestion that a less than 0.2mm difference in seat post diameter would make the post too small to fit snugly in the seat tube is laughable. Any halfway decent clamp should easily account for 1mm error or more.
Although it seems a bit snarky, your comment has been very useful.
One of the WordPress updates seems to have removed labels on picture galleries (where more than one picture is placed side by side). Hadn’t noticed it. It’s fixed now, to the best way I could fix it with this “version” (doesn’t allow labeling each picture separately, without the label being put over a picture, instead of beneath it).
“Vernier calipers” – English is not my native. The name of those calipers, whether analogue (with a Vernier scale), or digital, is the same in my native (“Ε ubler” – an “imported” German term). I will correct the term once I double check the proper English technical terminology.
As for the 0.2 mm difference, it is probably counter intuitive for many people, but in practice it can cause one, or several of the following:
– Seatpost slipping under rider weight and road bumps (either down, or turning sideways – or both).
– Seat tube cracking near the seatpost clamp area (steel frames are the least susceptible to this, while carbon fiber ones are the most “sensitive” to such problems).
I would normally say: “don’t take my word for it, try it, with a smaller diameter seatpost (0.2 mm is enough, but you can go 0.5, or 1 mm, as you said, to get “faster” results)”. However, this does pose a risk of damaging a frame, so do it only on a frame you are willing/prepared to damage.
Thank you for what is in effect a very helpful, constructive feedback.
If you find any other mistakes, feel free to note them. I try to keep this as correct, and up-to-date as possible.
yes old thread
1 mm take up is incorrect.
seat post will slip down as it will rock from side to side, it happened to me
no more than 0.1 clearance
Most of your information is geared towards the later 20th Century bicycles. Iβm trying to find information about the size of a 1948 Columbia Custom Deluxe Ladies bicycle seat post. I measured it with a digital caliper and it reads 15.75 mm. I checked Sheldon Browns site and his list did not show Columbiaβs. This bicycle was my mothers and Iβm trying to put it back together for her 85th birthday in April or at least by Mothers Day.
So far I have not found any seat posts that are that small (no clue what became of the original) Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Reading this with a smile on my face – a lovely idea for a birthday surprise. π
15.75 mm is very narrow – I’ve never seen any seatpost with an under 20 mm outer diameter.
Of course, where there’s a will, there’s a way. I have a few ideas:
1)
Does the frame have some shims that reduce the seat-tube’s inner diameter, allowing such a narrow seatpost to be held in place?
If yes – maybe those could be taken out to fit a “more standard” diameter seatpost?
2)
Most seatposts are a lot wider than 15.75 mm. Machining the sidewalls down would weaken them tremendously in my opinion.
But, a narrower pipe could probably be sourced, or even a steel rod – then it’s up to finding a turner to process it into the appropriate diameter size.
Painting, or chrome plating could also be done – just take it into account when machining to not have the new seatpost too narrow, or too wide.
Having said that: going a bit too narrow can be fixed with some DIY shims from Coca-Cola cans (that’s one thing that drink is good for π ),
while going a bit too wide would call for some more grinding – but it’s probably a safer way to go (“measure three times, cut once” is a local saying).
If making a custom seatpost, it’s probably a good idea to keep the upper part with about 23 mm outer diameter, to fit most saddle adapters (Amazon affiliate link – though I prefer buying locally and supporting the local small shops).
My schedule is hectic and I can’t offer to make that myself and mail it, while this is a rather time-sensitive operation (I also don’t have a very good experience with our mail system’s “swiftness” and reliability) – but if you have any other questions, let me know. More than happy to help however I can. Good luck! π
Relja
hi i have a bought a used carbon bike the seatpost 31.6mm is stuck solid could i cut it and insert an 30.2mm or 27.5mm seatpost inside?
If all else fails, and taking a frame to a certified carbon repair shop is not an option, that could be attempted.
Will it work well? I’m not sure.
What I would try is to create leverage to remove the seatpost.
John Allen’s method sounds reasonably:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html#carbon
Fred here again. I would install a (expendable) saddle on the seatpost and “screw” the seatpost out by turning the saddle, if it’s too stuck i would hang up the bike by the saddle so the saddle sits in fixed position and then “screw” the bike frame so that gravity helps the seatpost go out.
I am thinking of doing a similar thing and think it could be possible. I have a carbon frame with an aluminum shim and a stuck 27.2mm seat post. I cut the top of the 27.2mm seat post off (because it was offset forward and I like rearward offset these days) and am thinking of inserting the top of a 25mm Look Ergopost. Unfortunately, the inner diameter of the cut 27.2mm seat post is a bit too small – less than 25mm. I may sand down the Look Ergopost to fit and perhaps put something inside it to strengthen it. You may find likewise that the inner diameter of your 30.2mm seat post is smaller than 27.5. However, one can purchase carbon tube in a variety of sizes and use that to strengthen anything you have had to reduce in diameter.
I tried using a slide hammer to get the seatpost out of the frame but cracked the frame instead.
I had also thought to use a impact wrench on the seatpost to knock it into a circle and I had created a socket that would go over the seatpost with a hole in it (through which I would have posted something through the socket and seatpost) as shown on YouTube but I don’t think it would have worked.
Thanks to Bike Gremlin, the new Sheldon Brown (?)
HI,
I read your article and it prove most useful.
I measured my seatpost diameter and it turn out to be 40mm.
I know it is large by modern standard do you have any idea where i can find such a seatpost clamp.
I would love to know why every 25.4mm seatpost i have been trying to get for my vintage bike (need something ~300mm long) is not actually 25.4mm. Two “25.4” posts so far have been measured at .988 inches. Infuriating :). The one that was on the bike is exactly 1″/25.4mm so everything else will not clamp/fall in.
Hi Erik,
“Give me the metric system, or give me death!” π
Joking a bit. π
Anyway, when I turn .988″ into mm, it is below 20.1 mm (20.0952 to be exact).
As far as seatpost tolerances go, that’s significantly more than 25.0 mm (enough to not fit into a 25.0 mm seat tube), and a lot less than 25.4 – practically “two sizes” smaller, enough to make the tube crack even if the clamp manages to keep such a seatpost in place.
Can’t understand that much of a mismatch. I value quality and precision over quantity, but it seems that many manufacturers have a different view on that. No other explanation comes to mind.
Ritchey company used to be quite good, but I haven’t bought anything from them for a while – and they don’t seem to be making any 25.4 mm sized ones.
The standard seems to be considered obsolete. π
Locally (in Novi Sad), I can source 25.4 mm seatposts, but of poor quality – the clamp has very coarse saddle angle adjustment, so depending on the seat tube angle, the saddle can end up being either too much upwards, or downwards tilted (if you know what I mean).
2nd hand market (and local bike shops) is where I’d look. With a wallet in one hand, and accurate & precise callipers in the other. π
Relja
Is it possible to sand down a 25.8mm aluminum seatpost to 25.4mm?
Hi Bob,
I would rather not risk making the seatpost walls thinner (and thus weaker).
But it is possible.
Relja
Hi, My bike frame seat post is 30.9mm in diameter, what size dropper post do I need for it to seamlessly fit in the seat tube?
I have a Merida Big 9 15 by the way
Hi Drona,
If the current seatpost is a well-fitting one, and it is 30.9 mm, I’d look for a 30.9 mm dropper seatpost.
Seamless sliding is not always possible – but it shouldn’t fit too loosely (you shouldn’t be able to rock it left-right when it’s inserted), nor take too much force to slide it in (no punching, or using full strength to get it in – that means it’s too wide).
Relja
Hi Relja,
Sorry, I meant that my seat tube is 30.9mm. What seat post would best fit in that seat tube, I was thinking 27.2 but wouldn’t that be too narrow?
Also I am having trouble looking for 27.2mm dropper posts with at least 100mm travel under $170 AUD.
Do you know any dropper post which suits what I mentioned above?
Hi Drona,
The seatpost depends on the inner seat tube diameter. The outer diameter does not reliably tell us the exact inner diameter (that depends on the wall thickness).
The safest way to determine this is to measure (I like to say that one good measurement is better than a thousand expert opinions π ).
It is easiest to measure the existing seatpost outer diameter – if there is a well-fitting seatpost on the bike. In case there’s no seatpost, we would need to measure the seat-tube’s inner diameter (using calipers, and minding to measure the tube itself, not the seat-clamp’s inner diameter).
From what I can Google, Merida Big Nine 15 has a 27.2 mm seatpost (Merida website link). Still, I would rather measure before buying anything – just to be on the safe side.
As for the dropper seatpost recommendations, I would ask on bikeforums.net MTB section (link to bikeforums website). There are many experienced cyclists and mechanics on that forum. I’m not an expert on dropper seatpost models. With a note that it’s a good idea to state one’s country, since otherwise many shopping advice are, how to put it… “US-centric.” π
Relja
alot of bikes are made with missmatched seatpost and you will also find some bikes that have a build up of paint around the seatpost hole,on most older steel bikes you can remove that old paint build up with a smooth round file and chase up the correct size seatpost,even some weld splatter stops seat post from fitting correctly,very common on older bikes,you seatpost should fit in without too much force and should not be floppy when you slide it down,you can buy seat post in just about every size,the older 25.4mm ones can still be found on new steel bikes,discarded old bikes are a very good place to look for hard to find seatposts.
Hi
I want to purchase a Pinarello f10 seatpost, I have seen one on eBay which states
23mm x 60mm cross section length 350mm, would this hit my f10.
I am sceptical about things on eBay the only reason I looked was because of price as a new one is Β£300. The ad states genuine Pinarello seatpost but the price is Β£130 so you can understand my reluctance.
Many thanks
Gary
Hi Gary,
I’m not sure. It’s worth measuring the inner dimensions of your seat-tube just to make sure (callipers are a good tool for that).
It’s even easier to measure a fitting seatpost if you have one.
As far as I know, 150-sh pounds is what these go for 2nd hand/used (ebay and the likes) – but take my info with a grain of salt.
Relja
not a mention here of size 26.0 post on my old TREK antelope. That is the number stamped on the current post and it fits snug but slides nice so it must be correct. And the caliper confirms too. I am trying to find a seat thudbuster for that size. May be impossible as it looks to be a very rare size seatpost. suggestions? thanks, Brian maybe I should get a newer bike!!!!! It’s an antique.
Hi Brian,
Yes, 26 mm is not the most commonly used size (though it is listed in Table 1 above), but I could find it online.
Here’s one example (Amazon affiliate link).
Here’s a zero setback one from bike24.com.
Another one, with setback, from bike24.com
Thanks again for your information. I have 2 comments. When trying to purchase a seatpost for an oversized seat-tube, I eventually noticed a comment that the seat post outer diameter should be 1mm less than the measured seat tube inner diameter, (on one of UK based online cycle shops – I forget which). That did give a snug fit, but I also note your measurements show seat post stated diameters are not exact.
Secondly in an old comment above you state.. “Anyway, when I turn .988β³ into mm, it is below 20.1 mm (20.0952 to be exact).” I’m old enough to have been brought up with imperial measures in the UK, and that didn’t look right. I use 25.4mm to an inch as a rule of thumb, which gives 25.095mm for 0.988″ when I calculate. These days I also exclusively use the metric system. Except when using sites from the USA.
Regarding, measuring the internal diameter of the frame seat tube, I wouldn’t just measure at the top, as it could be splayed out. I would measure further down, as well, using a pair of internal callipers, or an inside micrometer.