Here, I’ve explained the minimal seatpost insertion length – that is how much seatpost must be inside your frame to be safe (to not damage the frame or the seatpost). A separate article explains seatpost width (diameter) standards.
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Table Of Contents (T.O.C.):
- Seatpost lengths
- Minimal seatpost length inserted into the seat-tube
- Dangers of not inserting the seatpost deep enough
1. Seatpost lengths
Seatposts are made in lengths from 75 to 430 millimeters. A seatpost can relatively easily be cut shorter, but a too short seatpost can’t be lengthened, of course.
Picture 1
Saddle height is adjusted by sliding the seatpost further in/out of the frame (seat tube). Saddle height depends on how high from the pedals the rider wants to sit. That is explained in Setting up comfortable cycling position.
Still, when setting up the riding position, attention must be payed to not move the seatpost too much out for it’s length. That is: to keep a minimal length of the seatpost inserted into the seat tube. How long is that? That is explained in the next chapter.
2. Minimal seatpost length inserted into the seat-tube
Follow the frame and/or seatpost manufacturer recommendations – if they are provided. When giving such recommendations, manufacturers take into the account the strength of the material(s) used, wall thickness, as well as the total seatpost length (which is effectively the length of the lever over which the rider weight puts the load) etc. So their recommendations may be “stricter”, or “less strict” than what is written here below.
Exceptions (when to not follow manufacturer recommendations)? I will give myself the liberty to say that I disregard manufacturer recommendations when they recommend more shallow insertion, than what is advised in this article. To avoid any injury, or equipment damage, I prefer to consciously “err” on the side of caution.
– In all of my articles, I usually explicitly note only in case manufacturer recommendations can be disregarded (noting the exact case/situation). In other words: for me it is understood that if not advised otherwise, one should follow the given manufacturer recommendations, when they are available. Though I can see why in this case that was a bit confusing, so added the two paragraphs above to avoid any misunderstanding.
First safe bet is inserting seatpost at least 150 mm inside the seat tube. This will securely hold on practically any bicycle. It is shown in picture 2.
Right: Seatpost inserted deep enough (seatpost that is long enough);
Source: www.orangebikes.co.uk
Picture 2
Is it safe to go shorter than that? There is one exception, that will now be explained. For “men” frames, with (more, or less) horizontal top tube, minimal insertion depth can be shorter than 150 mm, and is defined by the following two conditions:
a) Seatpost should end at least 25 millimeters below the lower part of the horizontal tube weld to the seat tube.
b) Total inserted length should be at least 90 mm from the top end of the seat tube.
This is shown in the picture 3.
Source: www.bikecad.ca
Picture 3
Both of these conditions must be fulfilled. If, for example, lowest part of the top tube weld ends 50 mm below the seat tube top, inserting seatpost 25 mm below it won’t fulfill the requirement b) – of minimum 90 mm total insertion depth (seat post would be inserted 50 + 25 mm – so only 75 mm).
Same goes if the lowest part of the weld is at 80 mm for example. Inserting seatpost 90 mm deep would not fulfill the a) requirement of seatpost ending at least 25 mm below the weld. Therefore, seatpost would have to be inserted for total of 105 mm in this case (80 + 25 mm).
Shortening seatposts is very popular with road bikes, for weight reduction. The minimum safe margin was explained in this chapter. What happens if it is exceeded is explained in the next chapter.
3. Dangers of not inserting the seatpost deep enough
Seatpost not inserted deep enough into the seat tube (as explained in chapter 2.) can cause the following problems:
- It will not stay firmly in place – dropping deeper, or twisting (this is the least of the problems and it happens most rarely, the other problems are more serious).
- Seatpost could bend, or break.
- The top part of the seat tube (the frame) could break.
Most of these problems can be hazardous if they happen when riding at high speeds and/or on bumpy terrain.
Source: www.gripsport.com.au
Picture 4
When inserting a seatpost, always “grease” it with proper mounting paste. For metal seatposts in a metal frame, use an anti seize mounting paste (“copper grease” or similar – Amazon affiliate link). It will prevent seatpost from welding to the frame over time and getting stuck.
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If the frame is made of carbon fiber would 90 mm insertion be enough when the top of the seat stay junction is at 90 mm from the top of the seat tube.
I would feel safer placing the seat tube at least 25 mm (1″) below the lower end of the top-tube – seat-tube junction.
And having it inserted at least 90 mm – both conditions fulfilled.
Safest bet, of course, is following the frame (and seatpost) manufacturers’ recommendations.
Thanks for your advice, feel happier with the amount of insertion I have.
Also please note 25 mm is 1″
Yes, mistake for the 2″.
Update on the 20th of July 2020:
To avoid anyone having any problems, I have added something I had considered to go without saying, but think it should be explicitly noted, to be on the safe side:
Respect the recommendations of the seatpost and/or frame manufacturers, if they are provided. For reasons explained at the start of the (now edited) article’s 2nd chapter.
This improvement/correction, like many others on the website, was made thanks to the good quality feedback: people taking the time to note the things that aren’t explained well enough (or are incorrectly noted).
I find such feedback invaluable and wish to thank everyone who has contributed over the past years – so this can become better and more useful for everyone.
Hi, I have a Cinelli via Folli seatpost and the minimum insertion length marked on it by Cinelli only leaves 70mm in the frame. It feels a very solid seatpost and is made of thick forged aluminium 6061 T6. It’s going to be fitted to a vintage steel road bike frame with a horizontal top tube etc. Reckon that should be ok?
Hi,
Seatpost not inserted deep enough poses a risk to damage either frame, or the seatpost (whichever gives first).
The insertion limit depends on various things, such as:
– Frame design (how high is the point where the top tube is connected to the seat tube).
– Frame material and strength in the seatpost clamping section.
– Seat post strength.
– Rider’s weight.
– Riding terrain (of road, or paved roads).
– Total seat post height.
On a steel road bike, with a horizontal top tube (so connected to the seat tube at a very high point, near the end of the seat tube), where the seatpost is not likely to protrude much (since the frame is designed to match rider’s height, unlike the modern design where they just put the top-tube across, and see where it ends up 🙂 ) – I would expect it to be fine.
With a disclaimer: picture 3 of this article shows the “safe bet.”
Disclaimer 2: cycling industry engineering is not what I’d call good engineering. Over the years, I’ve learned to take it as more of a guideline (and warranty protection) than gospel.
Bottom line: if the frame is not precious (either in terms of cots, or, more importantly, sentimental value), I’d give it a go. If it is – I’d look for a longer seat post, just in case. Colour me conservative. 🙂
Relja.